Talk:Parish council (England)

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Needs

Needs to move to correct capitalization and be less us-centric

Parish and civil parish

I see a need to recognise that the distinction between parish and civil parish is at best very blurry, especially in historical contexts. In England and the UK its a fairly late development in administrative systems. Laurel Bush 15:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Surely a parish is an ecclesiastical geographical designation?David Lauder 10:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You'd think so, but such is the wierd fudge that is British local government organisation. --Joopercoopers 09:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article Civil parish duplicates this one and gives far more detail. They should be amalgamated.Hymers2 (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In England a parish council is part of the civil government and is also known unofficially as a civil parish. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Church of England, where the governing body of each ecclesiastical parish (which often has different boundaries from the civil parish)is the Parochial Church Council. Hymers2 (talk) 08:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand (and this article supports that view} that (local government) parish council and civil parish are not synonymous. Let us keep separate pages but make the distinction clear. Jan1nad (talk) 21:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Links to disambiguation page

There is a good WP:AWB task for someone who fancies it: Special:WhatLinksHere/Parish council. MRSC (talk) 20:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Origins

The history section is a bit vague about origins and probably should mention vestries at some point. I don't know enough about that or have sources to hand unfortunately. MRSC (talk) 20:53, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I can dig out something about Hobhouse's Act (which should have an article not a redlink) and the whole open/closed vestry conflab. Lozleader (talk) 21:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can also dig out the references I used here: Local Government Act 1894#Background. The creation of parish councils was considered quite radical at the time.Lozleader (talk) 21:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've split off Civil parishes in England. Needs some work to ensure the overlap with this article is relevant. MRSC (talk) 08:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Parish Council and Civil Parish

The lead section states that the area covered by a PC is a Civil Parish, whereas in practice a PC can cover more than one CP. I know that later in the article this is clarified, but does the wording in the lead need changing? Jan1naD - (talk) 22:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've amended the intro so it does not explicitly exclude parish groupings. MRSC (talk) 22:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article needs merging with Civil parishes in England.--Kudpung (talk) 14:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think a merge is appropriate as civil parishes date from c 1535 and parish councils form 1894/5, although this is not made crystal clear in the parishes article (for instance the infobox): I will try to do a bit on the history.... Lozleader (talk) 20:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree no merger. Each parish does not automatically have a parish council. Some have parish meetings, or one council covers multiple parishes. MRSC (talk) 14:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent Revision

@Saga City: I hope you are well - you recently undid an edit I made to this article regarding the claim in the introduction that most Parish Councils spend under 25 thousand GBP a year. Your point about it being bad style to add ^{[citation needed]} to the introduction is well taken, however I cannot seem to find the claim clarified in the article as you noted in your edit summary. Am I missing something? Balag12 (talk) 07:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General Power of Competence

The article under this heading is poorly crafted and is in part actually wrong or misleading. I believe that it needs to be entirely rewritten for the sake of clarity and accuracy. WelbeckLincs (talk) 21:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with it specifically? G-13114 (talk) 21:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The statement set out in the text is fine if the discussion is solely about the council providing a service above its normal range of services. However, if the council making use of the power starts a commercial concern, then providing it meets the requirements of s.4 of the 2011 Act, that is to say it sets up a company or other accepted limited liability vehicle, then the trading through that company can happily make profits. To set up a commercial venture the council must be eligible and must have formally adopted the power. Once the power is in place it may set up a commercial venture or enterprise only if it has first set up a company as mentioned above. Without the power, then a parish council is not authorised to embark on a commercial activity. This, of course, does not prevent a parish council having tenants or renting out space in buildings that it owns - that is covered by legislation that it already had, and the revenues can be utilised to meet the outgoings of the parish in the upkeep of those facilities.

There is another point though, I have not seen many parish councils that provide publicly published accounts that anyone would be able to identify where monies have been spent from precept receipts rather than from other sources such as Community Infrastructure Levy receipts. So, the problem is probably moot anyway. WelbeckLincs (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]